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Distill Energy's avatar

Interesting article. Well thought out, and well researched.

First, what I liked:

- The decoupling dashboard. It's an excellent way to illustrate the state of affairs and you provided necessary and sufficient information.

- The critical window. It seems like you nailed the big hitters, and the timeline.

- Calling out that China has been preparing for the decoupling, and painting the timeline.

However, your risk analysis seems willfully overconfident.

- It is disingenuous to treat "The US and its allies" as a unified bloc while neglecting that the US has been estranging its putative allies while China has been making deals with them. This seems likely to continue.

- Belt and Road has been successful in South America, and many Latin American countries have begun to migrate from the US to China as their major trading partner for the past decade. Indeed, you point to an inability for China to feed itself without US soybeans but it has been doing just that voluntarily this year due to trade agreements with Brazil - what you claim to be a liability for China turns out to be a major headache for the US without any pain on the Chinese side. (This begs the question of how many of the other claims would result in a similar outcome?)

- The analysis neglects the US debt problem and the real risk of inflation. You mention four things that international currencies require, but then describe a strategy whereby the US violates one or more of those with IEEPA. Doing so would put dollar dominance at risk, risking real ecosystem collapse in the US. My analysis suggests doing so would be far worse for the US than for China.

- The appeals to game theory and physics are overblown. Your analysis does not contain a real treatment of either of these things, and invoking them drastically weakens your argument.

These items notwithstanding, I learned from this essay, as with all of your articles. Please treat this critique as an invitation to debate and clarify our understanding rather than an attack on your work. Thank you for writing it.

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Adam S's avatar

I think this article is missing a lot of important factors that break the underlying thesis. I lived in China for almost a decade and speak Mandarin, so I know a bit more about this than OP I think.

Banking equity: This is irrelevant when all banks are state owned and the government is willing and able to absorb losses in bad banks. They have done this in the past. You have to consider total government revenues as rescue capacity, not bank equity.

Taiwan: China considers this an existential issue. The US does not. If China was willing to make a $1 trillion purchase commitment for soybeans in exchange for the US withdrawing military support for Taiwan, do you think Trump (or any other isolationist) won't take this offer? I'm almost certain they would.

Chaos theory: US allies should be equal skeptical of chaotic Trump. There is no nearshoring going on because maybe next week Trump will threaten to invade Guatemala. If I'm India, do I consider Trump a reliable partner? India was sanctioned for buying Russian oil, but China was not. If the US is happy abandoning NATO, why would SK/Japan rely on US security guarantees?

The chaos theory argument only works if you're chaotic to your enemies and reliable to your friends. It's stupid for Canada to be expanding it's surveillance capabilities because they never know when the US might abandon intelligence sharing. But that's exactly what's happening, so our allies spend for a million China contingencies AND a million US contingencies.

Supply chain interdependence: This is my industry. You can't hand-wave away the fact that we no longer produce plastic injection molding in the US. Imagine if tomorrow we lose all supply of medical syringes and have no way of building molds that produce these syringes either. People die in this scenario. Plastic doesn't just mean happy meal toys, it has tons of applications in food, medical, electronics... practically every industry. Reshoring is a complicated exercise and the administration is making it much worse by alienating countries that are both friendly and better than us at producing certain things.

Demographic cliff: Your population growth charts for the US are based on historical levels of immigration. Currently we are at net negative immigration, so our population will also decline without a sudden surge in native births.

My best guess is that China and the US will both muddle along and experience low growth for completely self inflicted reasons. But they are also both large and diversified enough that there will be no Great Depression 2.0

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